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The reason for notifying his sister would be written on the back of his attestion form under next of kin. I've attached the newspaper article, it records him as 27 years of age when he died. Looks like he had served before the war and was a reservist. Retlaw. |
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Thanks Retlaw for the photo of Anthony Gilmartin which you sent to Alan who then forwarded to me.
Anthony was my maternal gramdmother's brother. My gran did live at 37 Willow St but not with her parents. She was already married to Jack Counsell and living at this address in 1915. How can I download the newspaper article ?(bit of a novice on the computer!) I think it's absolutely marvellous the work you are doing, unfortunately I can't contribute anything.- Rgds. |
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I thought he was he was looking for a web site with that article on it, thougt everyone, even you, would know right click to save. I have nearly 3000 such news clippings and several hundreds more I have'nt processed yet. Why do you need to save it to my pictures ?. Bet it finishes up on some body's web site, not from you of course. Retlaw |
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Don't really understand Katex's remarks. I have saved the picture but I was interested in reading the article. Perhaps I didn't explain well.
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It is just me that saves it in My Pictures initially ('cause this is what comes up first when it asks for a file) ... then I decide later where to put it. You should have right clicked first on the image Retlaw put up .. go to top of list to open link ... this brings you into a larger image in another window. Then right click on it again ... Go to 'save as' .. this is when it gives you the option of which file you wish to put it in. It should take the text with it. I would have put this in 'My pictures' anyway because the text may have been too small to read, but can open it from there into your Paint Shop Pro.. which you can enlarge. Now, I probably will have confused you more, and someone will come along to tell you an easier way ... :D:D |
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Yes you have Snake Head, why have you done two operations when 1 will do, right click on news cutting scroll down to save picture as and it will open your my pictures folder just click save, it already has a file name. then you can view it in Widows Explorer and magnify to what ever size is readable. If you click on print in Explorer it give you a choice of sizes to print it, but why print it if you can read and remember. Sirry Iriot, sorry daft bat is better.:D:D:D:D:D:D Retlaw. |
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See what I mean ?? Just that a thumbnail remains as a thumbnail in your file initially .... :p
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Con ti nod read, wad dus this seh. then you can view it in Widows Explorer and magnify to what ever size is readable. If you click on print in Explorer it give you a choice of sizes to print it, but why print it if you can read and remember. Have you never seen the little magnifier at the bottom on the page Retlaw. |
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Hi Retlaw
My gt Grandfather was pte James Ormerod 27670 born 1897 lived at 9 stone row clayton-le-moors joined the 2nd/4th loyal north lancs 1915 and was transfered to the 8th battalion loyal north lancs 1916 and then the kings own royal lancaster regiment 1919 i think he may of been involved in the battle of The Messines? As you can see , i have found out quite a bit about him already my grandmother says he was gassed by the germans?? is there anything else you can tell me , i would love to find out anything more or perhaps a photo???? |
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Joined up in July 1916, alloted the number 27670 in the Loyals age 19, was 5-7 tall, hair brown eyes blue, next of kin Thomas Ormerod (father) 9 Stone Row, C-l-M. He was gassed and admitted to Wharncliffe Hospital 18-5-1918, discharged from hospital 19-7-1918. posted to K.O.R.L. alloted new number 51542. It would appear that on his demob Nov 6th 1919. He opted to go to Archangel. The only way you will find out where he was when gassed is the battalion war diaries, his name will not be mentioned just the day to day incidents. Retlaw. |
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please forgive my ignorance what was archangel? and where do you think i could find the war diaries? would they be at kew or at fulwood baracks ? would they be available for public viewing? |
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Men from G.B. and some of the Commonwealth countries were involved, even the septics poked their noses in. More men died from the weather than from bullets. Retlaw. Forgot to add the War Diaries, there should be a copy of the Loyals at Fulwood, don't know about the Royal Lancs, ring Fulwood and ask but not on a monday, their shut. |
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My maternal grandfather served with the MGC, private 84352 & lived on Blackburn Road, Accrington. Is this area covered by research? I do not have any photos or information about his military service, just a few old photos which I could scan for you if interested. Should you have an information on him I would be most interested. With thanks & kind regards.
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I need a bit more than his service number, I've got over 14000 names in my files, what was his surname. Retlaw. |
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I take it the exhibition at howarth art gallery is your's retlaw? the lancashire evening telegraph have a story on it today , unfortunately the fail to mention when it opens and how long it is on for? i would like to come and see it at the weekend will it be open?
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I'm going to have a look at that too. Sounds really fascinating. Keep up the good work Retlaw, you are doing a marvelous job:D
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will have a sneck up wi paris, she,s particularly interested as she's got a relative on the oak hill park memorial.
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Whats his name. Retlaw. |
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Thank you Retlaw.
He was James Jones, born 1895, died 1929. Lived in Blackburn Road. I can add occupation & full addresses as required, plus name of wife & children. With kind regards. |
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152 Blackburn Rd, Accrington. unfortunately his service records have not survived the blitz in the last war. Please P. M. me with family details Thanks. Retlaw. |
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ok have found photo of his war grave, a white cross PTE.McNEIL .I.D. below name it says KINGS n below that D W 6644? on back it says hermonvill ****** cemetry in the area of Caen.?
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Hermanville War Cemetery France. The cemetery contains 1003 burials Joseph is in Plot 1, row O, grave 5 |
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would just like to point out Retlaw was correct, paris had got the wrong war, her uncle is on the memorial in Oak Hill, but me being a numpty didn't know the lower one was W.W.2.:o
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The frogs are after closing some of the cemetery's, they want the land back, one of their excuses is no one visits, bull, they deliberately steal the books. Retlaw. |
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just wanted to congratulate retlaw on his exhibition at howarth art gallery , which i visited on saturday, there was a picture of a Pte J Ormerod was he my gt grandfather 27670 L.N.L ?
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Thats right , but you had a photograph on display of a Pte J Ormerod i wanted to know if it was him |
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fiddlesticks !!!!
did all soldiers have photo taken? how would i find the photo of my james ormerod? |
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Most soldiers had their photo's taken in uniform, to send home to relatives. As for your james ormerod if I haven't got his picture, then your going to have to ask any of his surviving relatives if they have one. Retlaw |
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I tried ****** but the swear filter got me ha ha ha!! he only has 3 children left and i know 2 haven't got A picture the 3rd i've not seen since i was a child
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Is this what you are after.
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No i understand most of that apart from what was that saying happened on 14/3/1919 , is that when his service ended ? i know it says he was in france but i believe he was also in salonica and while he was there contracted malaria on number of occaisions
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Do you have any personal details of him ? where he lived ? mothers/fathers name etc?
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awarded the 1915 Star when he went to France in Sept 1915. Soldiers went all over the world during WW1, some with as many as five different postings and regiments. Unless he lived in Greater Accrington, I won't know of him. Retlaw. |
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Went up there today .
Spent some time looking but to no avail . Looks like there are no pics for me. There again I did like seeing the pics. A lot of work,thought and detemination gone into this collection. I was well impressed, thanks |
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Retlaw, my grandfather(mothers side) was Thomas Barnes, originally from Baxenden I think,lived on Frederick Street in the 40's.
As I remember, he may have lied about his age to join up. He was a British Army boxing champion(featherweight or lightweight??) he said, he certainly had the flattest nose I've ever seen! My grandmother always said he was as mad(or stupid) as he was because a German smashed a rifle butt on his head.I'm sure she said he had to have his helmet cut off or levered off, although I can't see that. I'm sure I have a photo of him in his uniform. If it's any use to you I'll try to find it. |
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I'd no idea he was awarded the Military Medal, he never mentioned it but then he never mentioned the War. Perhaps the happy hours he spent in the trenches and trudging across No-Mans-Land explain why his behaviour was sometimes a little strange? PTS or shell shock?
Thanks for that info, Retlaw, I spent last night trying to find out more(unsuccessfully) but I'll keep looking. |
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Charles Flynn Augusta Street Accrington I believed he joined the pals. He was gassed during the war and died in the early 1920's.
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Pte. 17855. 11th East Lancs. Worked at Howard & Bulloughs. Lived at 11 Napier St and also at 3 Augusta St. Sacred Heart R-O-H. Died of Pneumonia Dec 1925. Retlaw. |
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Appropriate for this week. Attached is a postcard of the memorial at St Peters. Judging by the pile of soil under the window, I expect this was taken at the dedication ceremony.
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Hi Retlaw, While I'm on a roll on here with people being full of amazing historical knowledge my family research led me down another path. I was in Accrington Library looking up Green Haworth and I happened to remember my grandma taking me in there when I was little to show me a picture of my great grandad which was hanging on the stairs. His name was Joe Bradshaw (Sergeant Bradshaw of the Church Battery R.F.A (T.F) and he was the first person in that artillary to receive the D.C.M for 'great coolness and bravery' when they were under fire on JUne 10th & 11th 1915, South West of Krithia (Dardanelles). I have printed off the articles from the library but just wondered if anyoneelse may have come across anything.
He was shot in the back but survived. His parents lived at 17 Hartley Street, Oswaldtwistle at the time when he received the medal, although when the articles were written hes wasn't actually aware of the being awarded the honour but was his parents were notified by two other men who fought with him when they were writing to their parents. The names of the men were Quartermaster Sergeant W.Gastall to his father George Gastall of Fairfield Terrace and Gunner Wright sond of Mr.A.R Wright, school attendance officer, Oswaldwtistle. Not sure if you will be able to make head nor tail of this but its worth a shot! Thanks in advance. |
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Do you mean the attached. The libray has a scrap book of over 2500 news articles I collected of WW1 episodes.
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That is the very person. I have that and 3 other articles but kind of hit a wall after that. I was very pleased to have got the facts from the articles that I did but thought it was worth a shot asking on here if there was something I missed. There is only my great uncle that is still alive so he was suprised that I found what I did.
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card spells his name as John. His service number L/267 and the qualifying date for the 15 Star is correct, but he should have the 14/15 Star as well. Retlaw |
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Wow, I wondered why when I kept putting local searches in for the DCM that the name came up as John. Do you think this would be the same person? My grandma never said anything about him possibly being called John?
Thankyou so much for your help with this by the way, it really is fascinating what has turned up so far. |
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Don't bother about his name being other than what you expected, there are 10 spelling errors 11 double entries & 83 names missing on Accrington's War Memorial alone. Retlaw. |
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Oh I see. I went to see my great uncle Joe tonight and he was adamant his dad was called Joe so that makes a lot of sense. Could I please ask what the 14/15 star is? I printed off the document you posted above but to me it doesn't really make that much sense to me. Seen as he was of the Church Battery, does that make him one of the Accrington Pals or is that different? Its a shame I won't be able to see his DCM, somebody within the family that nobody ever sees has it so I can only wonder!
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Only a few Accrington Pals got the 15 Star, they were part of an advance party sent to France, then the war office changed their minds and sent them to Egwipt, (Egypt) What part of the medal card do you not understand, if you mean the numbers in the lower left quarter, it refers to the actuall medal rolls, which are large books each containing about 5000 entries, held at the Public Record Office Kew. There are firms that can supply replica medals, but be carefull some firms take low value medal remove the numbers and remark them to increase ther value. Have a look at this web site, you may find what you want without subscribing. http://1914-1i918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php? Retlaw. |
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Hi Just stumbled across this great website !!. I'm interested in the Duckett family. My Grand uncle ? was James Francis Duckett who was killed at Ypres on 14th September 1917. He lived at Liina St. I would be very greatful to anyone with info. on anything Duckett related....Many Thanks....................... PS Retlaw I think you're doing a fantastic job
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Many thanks Retlaw, thats fantastic. I must admit, I didn't have much interest in the 2 world wars, but now I'm hooked. Especially the first world war and The Pals...Thanks again....Tod.
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I wonder if you can help with this one...
I think I posted some time ago about my ancestor John Southworth. I have found out that he served in the Great war and was part of the Loyal North Lancs Regiment. The number given on his service record is 2874. He is a bit of an enigma as his obituary in The Accrington Observer (18th Feb 1933) says he served as a painter and decorator with the Accrington and Church Co-operative society for 23 years (he died in 1933 - so his employment would have begun in around 1913), served in The Great War and was a prisoner of war in Germany for over three years. John was not born in Accrington, but in Chorley in 1884. On his service records he lists his residence as being 40 Peel Hall Street Preston. I find this odd since he was working for an Accrington based firm in 1913, but joined the army in 1914. I would really like to find out about his time spent as a prisoner of war and also about when he got back. He married his wife Esther in 1927 and died in February 1933, where he was buried by the Accrington and Church Co-operative society. I am not sure if John was really an Accrington man, but he ended his days as one, dying at 24 Maden Street, Accrington. If anyone can provide help on how to find out where he would have been held in Germany I would be very grateful. |
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John was living in Church at 72a Lion Street in 1911 along with his mother as boarders with his sister Jane Halliday and her family.
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If you have his service papers, and it doesn't mention a German P-O-W Camp, then your only hope is the Red Cross Society records, which have not yet come on line, as they are in Geneva, and could be years yet. I never foundd a report of his being taken prisoner in the local newspapers, but if he was not a native of Accrington, then it may have been reported in his home town. Retlaw |
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Wow!! Thanks for the speedy replies!! It makes sense that he was in Accrington around the time he joined up! His army records show that his medals and effects were sent to his mother Elizabeth - she signed for them - and also that he was missing, presumed dead. What a terrible thing for a family to go through, when he was alive, albeit somewhere in Germany. I will get on with having a look at newspapers in Preston around the time as the Preston address is where it is listed his mother and father were living when he joined up. Thanks again.
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You say he was born in 1895, then he would have been in employment in 1910, possibly from when he was 12 or 13 years of age. During my searches I have found several mens papers in the wrong file, so if I come across any of his papers, I will save them and send them on. I always report these errors to Ancestry. I got an acknowledgement from Ancestry last week, for the last batch of errors I sent in, 13 men wrongly named Retlaw |
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What does this anomaly mean? Would the fact that he was POW have anything to do with it? Have your searches come up with anything to show he was a POW? The only reason I think he was POW was because it says so in his obituary - Accrington Observer 18th Feb 1933. Also its good to hear you are on Ancestry - if you like I could add you as a friend on there so you can look at my tree if you like - lots of Haworths on there!! John's wife is the Haworth line I am researching.
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He is in the repatriated P-o-W list. All British P-o-W's were home by the end of February 1919, Jerry P-o-W's had to wait, some were still being held in camps until late 1919. Retlaw. |
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Hi, Does anyone know if theres a website with photos of the pals.I seem to remember readiing there was an exhibition of them sometime ago,but as I don't live in the area it would be nice to see.....many thanks Tod
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There was n exhibition up Haworth Park awhile back tod, i went, am sure Retlaw or Atarah etc will know if theres a website, i never seen one.:)
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Thanks Retlaw, It would be nice to think that one day there could be a website so people far away could see it all, but at least it is in safe hands. Thanks again
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Hi Walter,
Thanks for the info on Stephen Kennedy (15121). Is there any chance you could post his medal card on here? If not, can you let me know what his "theatre of war" was? Also, what does the abbreviation R.F.A. stand for on your e-mail? Steve |
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He was in France. Class Z, means he was discharged to Class Z Army Reserve R.F.A. = Royal Field Artillery. R.G.A. = Royal Garrison Artillery There was also the County Palatine Artillery. Church Artillery. Accrington & Burnley Howitzers. Retlaw. |
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Fantastic! Thanks.
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Good morning Retlaw, Im trying to find out if my grandad, Patrick Gilmartin, served in WW1, he would have resided, in iether Willow St, Or Lower Barnes St, Clayton, & Which site do I go to, to find my dads service, record, in ww2, he served in India. And also I though it would be nice if I could wear a medal on ANZAC day, on behalf of my great uncle Anthony Gilmartin, who was killed in Galipolli, where would I get such a medal, just to show he has'nt been forgoten.
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Hi Alan, check this out - there's mention of a William Gilmartin living at 23 Willow St.
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Thanks but, Im pretty sure he didnt have a brother called William or Billy
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Through Accy Web and some pms I have found out that the three Broadleys on the Accrington war memorial were related to me . I never knew that . I have also discovered that my dad had three and not two sisters . One died aged one year old. That was a complete surprise .
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Well Steve & Retlaw, my brother just rang me, my grandad indeed did have a brother Billy, and my grandad worked down Dicky pit so he was exempt from going to war. I'd still like to have some form of recogntion for Anthony Gilmartin.
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I've attached a news cutting of Anthony, can't remember if I've done it before. William Gilmartin Private 15208. 11th East lancs. lived at 23 Willow St Clayton. Retlaw. |
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I do not have any record of a Patrick Gilmartin in my files. WW2 Service records are not available on line, they are available by snail mail to a direct descendant, sorry I no longer have the address of where to apply, Fulwood Museum will know. As for the medals, try awardmedals.com/british-war-medal-1914-1920-p-455-html Retlaw. |
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Thanks retlaw, my brother said grandad ( Patrick ) worked down the pit so he was exempt. Yes you did post a picture of Anthony last year, thanks again.
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Hi Retlaw,
My maiden name is Margerison, and I grew up in Accrington, though I now live in Canada, and have been researching my family history for many years. I understand that your main focus is on the Hyndburn area, and I don't know if you have any interest in surrounding locales, but I do have a lot of info - and photos - on relatives who served from the Haslingden area. I understand that you have done some work with William Turner? One of my relatives was mentioned in his book : "The Men of Haslingden Grane", and I have several photographs of relatives in uniform, as well as war records and various details that you may be interested in. I am most happy to contribute to your work if you are interested. Let me know. Or perhaps you have info for me that I have not been able to find. My main research interest is in the Margerison line but my maternal Grandfather was said to have been a sniper in the war. I am always pleased to see people working so hard to preserve the amazing history of people and places. Thank you ! |
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Hi Retlaw, I've just found out this morning that another relation from Accrington died in WW1. He was Robert Duckett (b1877) I believe he was in The Lancashire Fusiliers and was KIA on the 23rd October 1916.Any information you could pass on would be very grateful...regards Tod.
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Cpl. 18495. 2nd Lancs Fus. K.i.A. 23-10-1916. Having no known grave, his name is on the Thiepval Memorial, France. Accrington & District Catholics R-O-H, Dale St, Accrington. Sacred Heart R-O-H. Greater Accrington R-O-H. Sacred Heart War Memorial Accrington War Memorial. Retlaw. Not found any news paper articles on him. |
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